2005 Contributor election

This election ends Wednesday.

This year’s candidates:

4 Mel Allen
3 Roger Angell
3 Emmett Ashford
2 Jack Buck
1 Bob Creamer
3 Charles Denton
1 Charles Faber
2 Joe Garagiola
1 Pat Gillick
2 Doug Harvey
3 Ernie Harwell
1 Walt Hriniak
1 Frank Jobe
1 Roger Kahn
1 Charlie Lau
3 Lee MacPhail
1 Leo Mazzone
1 David Neft
1 Dave Neihaus
1 David Nemec
2 Sadaharu Oh
1 Pete Palmer
3 Max Patkin
3 Jimmy Reese
4 Allen Roth
3 Charles Schultz
2 Vince Scully
2 George Steinbrenner
3 Carl Stotz
2 Bob Uecker

Bob’s ballot:

1. Allen
2. Garagiola
3. Oh
4. Palmer
5. Nemec
6. Faber
7. Creamer
8. Stotz
9. Uecker
10. Reese

This has been the hardest and the easiest ballot so far for me. I won’t vote for anyone in management who was involved in colluding. These guys not only broke the law, what they did was not in the best interests of baseball, and they all knew that. I won’t vote for hometown announcers, because 1) I’ve likely never really heard them and 2) I have no clear idea of how to separate them. I haven’t voted for umpires, because frankly I haven’t a clue as to what makes one worthier than another. Was Ashford better than Harvey? I have no way of knowing. So that leaves me national announcers, coaches, statisticians/sabermetricians, authors, entertainers and various other contributors to pick from. It leaves me an interesting and eclectic group.

None were easy choices. But the first three and the bottom three seemed to have a large enough break between them that I could put 4 of my favorite people wedged in between. A little name dropping on my part, so excuse me if I go all sycophantic all of a sudden.

Pete Palmer I have met a couple times. After BillJ, the most influential sabermetrician on my thought process.

David Nemec is one of the original 19th century researchers who is still around. I am going to Cooperstown in a couple of weeks for the SABR 19th Century Committee Convention. Mindy is going with me this time (not to the meetings of course), and David is the one man I most want her to meet. If you guys have never read him, I heartily recommend his “The Great Encyclopedia Of 19th Century Major League Baseball”. His writing style is similar to BillJ, tho he’s more historian than analyst.

Charles Faber is a friend of mine, so this vote for him is entirely personal. A great sabermetrician? Hardly. His Faber Points have to be one of the (don’t tell him I said this) goofiest rating system I’ve ever seen. And yet it works for the most part. He gets some crazy rankings, but no crazier to me than WAR or Linear Weights or Win Shares. We e-mail back and forth half a dozen times a year. Right now we’re fussing (Charles and I always seem to be at odds with each other) about how the pitching rubber got put at 60’6″.

I met Bob Creamer for the first time last summer just before he passed. He was sitting alone at the SABR National Convention, so I sat down next to him, and we just started talking baseball and went on to other topics. Just the two of us sat there, as knowledgeable fans, and not once did the name Babe Ruth come up. Priceless.

Do any of these guys deserve enshrinement in the GOR or HOF? Palmer, maybe, but that’s a stretch, especially his first time on a ballot. The other three really aren’t worthy, but they’ll always be deserving contributors in my own personal HOF.

Terry’s ballot:

1: Frank Jobe
2: Pete Palmer
3: Sadaharo Oh
4: Allan Roth
5: Joe Garagiola
6: Vin Scully
7: Ernie Harwell
8: Charlie Lau
9: Mel Allen
10: Bob Uecker

Honorable mention:
Dave Neihaus

Results:

9 ballots; the results:

70 Joe Garagiola
63 Mel Allen
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49 Sadaharu Oh
48 Pete Palmer
36 Vin Scully
32 Allen Roth
27 Frank Jobe
26 Bob Creamer
22 Max Patkin
22 Charles Schultz
20 Charlie Lau
20 Carl Stotz
18 Roger Angell
15 David Neft
13 Emmett Ashford
10 Bob Uecker
9 David Nemec
8 Ernie Harwell
8 Jimmy Reese
8 Johnny Sain
6 Dave Niehaus
5 Charles Faber
5 Roger Kahn
3 Charles Denton
3 Walt Hriniak
3 Lee MacPhail

1995 Contributor election

This election will end Monday.

3 Mel Allen
2 Roger Angell
2 Emmett Ashford
3 Al Barlick
4 Red Barber
1 Jack Buck
3 Buzzie Bavasi
4 Happy Chandler
2 Nestor Chylak
2 Charles Deaton
1 Joe Garagiola
1 Doug Harvey
2 Ernie Harwell
2 Bowie Kuhn
2 Lee MacPhail
4 Lefty O’Doul
1 Sadaharu Oh
1 Buck O’Neil
2 Max Patkin
2 Jimmy Reese
4 Eddie Rommel
3 Allen Roth
2 Charles Schultz
1 Vin Scully
1 George Steinbrenner
2 Carl Stotz
1 Bob Uecker

Bob’s ballot:

1. O’Neil
2. Allen
3. O’Doul
4. Rommel
5. Stotz
6. Barber
7. Garagiola
8. Reese
9. Uecker
10. Patkin

Terry’s ballot:

1: Happy Chandler
2: Buck O’Neil
3: Sadaharo Oh
4: Joe Garagiola
5: Vin Scully
6: Ernie Harwell
7: Red Barber
8: Mel Allen
9: Insert random broadcaster, Uecker can have it
10. Lee McPhail

HM
Bob Uecker- Juuuuuust a bit outside my top ten…
Jack Buck- I have no idea what to do with all the broadcasters, honestly.

Voting for Steinbrenner, to me, would be like giving the MVP award to the kid who brought the soccer ball then spent the game wandering the sidelines wheezing and wolfing down chocolate bars while trying to bully the ref into giving his team free kicks. I’m not saying he ain’t valuable; at least he brought the %$##ing soccer ball.

Results:

9 ballots; the results:

106 Buck O’Neil
55 Lefty O’Doul
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44 Mel Allen
42 Joe Garagiola
37 Red Barber
32 Happy Chandler
29 Carl Stotz
28 Vin Scully
24 Allen Roth
23 Roger Anell
23 Max Patkin
21 Eddie Rommel
15 Sadaharu Oh
15 Charles Schultz
11 Ernie Harwell
10 Doug Harvey
10 Bob Uecker
8 Emmett Ashford
7 Jimmy Reese
6 Lee MacPhail
3 Jack Buck

1985 Contributors election

Lots of names to sort thru. This election ends Saturday.

4 Abbott & Costello
2 Mel Allen
1 Roger Angell
1 Emmett Ashford
2 Al Barlick
3 Red Barber
2 Buzzie Bavasi
2 Harry Carey
3 Happy Chandler
1 Nestor Chylak
1 Charles Deaton
2 Warren Giles
4 Gus Greenlee
1 Ernie Harwell
4 Cal Hubbard
1 Bowie Kuhn
4 Larry MacPhail
1 Lee MacPhail
4 Effa Manley
1 Marvin Miller
3 Lefty O’Doul
1 Max Patkin
4 Alex Pompez
1 Jimmy Reese
3 Eddie Rommel
2 Allen Roth
1 Charles Schultz
3 Red Smith
1 Carl Stotz
1 Pete Vonachen
4 Sam Wood
2 Tom Yawkey

Bob’s ballot:

1. Miller
2. Allen
3. Abbott & Costello
4. O’Doul
5. Barber
6. Stoltz
7. Rommel
8. Patkin
9. Reese
10. MacPhail pere

Terry’s ballot:

1: Harry Carey
2: Happy Chandler
3. Ernie Harwell
4: Red Barber
5. Mel Allen
6: Larry MacPhail
7. Lee McPhail
8: Alex Pompez
9: Allen Roth
10: Charles Schultz

I originally put Marvin Miller at the top of my ballot, but then, since it’s called “contributers”, I thought about what his contributions were. He would be first ballot if the players vote, sure. He wouldn’t be on the ballot if the owners voted, which is why he isn’t in the real one…. What did he contribute to the game of baseball? Honestly did he contribute anything?

He worked exclusively on the business side, and he had nothing to do with the game itself. Giving him a plaque would be like giving a battle citation to a payroll clerk. I have much respect for what Marvin Miller did for baseball players, but I don’t see how he did anything for baseball itself.

Results:

8 ballots; the results:

92 Marvin Miller
45 Harry Carey
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35 Mel Allen
34 Lefty O’Doul
25 Abbott & Costello
25 Red Barber
24 Happy Chandler
21 Ernie Harwell
20 Carl Stotz
18 Eddie Rommel
15 Charles Schultz
14 Roger Anell
14 Max Patkin
13 Allen Roth
13 Larry MacPhail
11 Emmett Ashford
11 Charles Deaton
11 Bowie Kuhn
9 Buzzie Bavasi
9 Lee MacPhail
8 Jimmy Reese
7 Nestor Chylak
5 Effa Manley
4 Cal Hubbard
3 Alex Pmpez
1 Al Barlick
1 Gus Greenlee

1975 Contributors election

Keeping with the one week voting period, this election will end next Thursday.

For the new voters: the number before the name is how many times they have been on the ballot. Candidates have 4 elections to be elected.

3 Abbott & Costello
1 Mel Allen
1 Al Barlick
2 Red Barber
1 Buzzie Bavasi
1 Harry Carey
2 Happy Chandler
1 Warren Giles
3 Gus Greenlee
3 Cal Hubbard
3 Larry MacPhail
3 Effa Manley
2 Lefty O’Doul
1 Walter O’Malley
3 Alex Pompez
4 Cum Posey
2 Eddie Rommel
1 Allen Roth
2 Red Smith
2 George Weiss
4 J.L Wilkinson
3 Sam Wood
1 Tom Yawkey

Results:

7 ballots; the results:

74 Walter O’Malley
39 George Weiss
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37 Harry Carey
35 Lefty O’Doul
31 Abbott & Costello
31 Red Barber
28 Cum Posey
22 Larry MacPhail
18 Happy Chandler
18 Allen Roth
18 J.K. Wilkinson
15 Mel Allen
15 Eddie Rommel
11 Buzzy Bavasi
8 Effa Manley
6 Sam Wood
5 Gus Greenlee
5 Cal Hubbard
3 Warren Giles
3 Alex Pompez
2 Al Barlick
2 Red Smith
1 Tom Yawkey

1965 Contributor election

2 Abbott & Costello
2 Nick Altrock
1 Red Barber
3 Ed Barrow
1 Jocko Conlin
1 Happy Chandler
4 Barney Dreyfuss
4 Jack Dunn
4 Al Munro Elias
4 Billy Evans
1 Ford Frick
2 Gus Greenlee
1 Will Harridge
2 Cal Hubbard
4 Ring Lardner
2 Larry MacPhail
2 Effa Manley
1 Lefty O’Doul
2 Alex Pompez
3 Cum Posey
4 Francis Richter
1 Eddie Rommel
2 Al Schacht
1 Red Smtih
1 Bill Veeck
1 George Weiss
3 J L Wilkinson
2 Sam Wood

Results:

7 ballots, the results

82 Bill Veeck
65 Ed Barrow
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32 Lefty O’Doul
32 Francis Richter
30 George Weiss
27 Red Barber
25 Larry MacPhail
22 Barney Dreyfuss
18 Al Munro Elias
18 Ring Lardner
16 Cum Posey
14 Happy Chandler
14 J.L. Wilkinson
9 Abbott & Costello
6 Effa Manley
5 Gus Greenlee
5 Eddie Rommel
3 Sam Wood
2 Red Smith
1 Cal Hubbrd
1 Alex Pompez

1955 Contributors election

1 Abbott & Costello
1 Nick Altrock
2 Ed Barrow
1 William Bendix
3 Tom Connolly
3 Barney Dreyfuss
3 Jack Dunn
3 Al Munro Elias
3 Billy Evans
1 Gus Greenlee
1 Cal Hubbard
3 Ring Lardner
1 Larry MacPhail
1 Effa Manley
1 Bill McGowan
1 Alex Pompez
2 Cum Posey
3 Francis Richter
1 Branch Rickey
1 Damon Runyon
3 Jabob Ruppert
1 Al Schacht
4 Sol White
2 J.L. Wilkinson
1 Sam Wood

Results:

6 ballots; the results.

A unanimous winner and a tie for second.

The first tiebreaker, re-doing the tabulations as if the winner didn’t exist, didn’t break it. In fact, the fourth place finisher won the tie-breaker.

The second tie-breaker, head to head competition, produced the winner, winning 4-2.

84 Branch Rickey
30 Jacob Ruppert
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30 Barney Dreyfuss
29 Ed Barrow
25 Sol White
24 Larry MacPhail
22 Francis Richter
21 Abbott & Costello
19 Al Munro Elias
17 J.L. Wilinson
16 Cum Posey
13 Ring Laudner
7 Gus Greenlee
6 Billy Evans
6 Effa Manley
5 Nick Altrock
4 Cal Hubbard
3 Sam Wood
2 Jack Dunn
2 Alex Pompez
1 Al Schacht

1945 Contributors election

As before, rank your Top 10. This election ends Monday night.

1 Ed Barrow
1 Ed Bolden
2 Tom Connolly
3 Barney Dreyfuss
2 Jack Dunn
2 Al Munro Elias
2 Billy Evans
1 Bill Klem
1 Kenesaw Landis
2 Ring Lardner
4 A.G. Mills
1 Cum Posey
2 Francis Richter
2 Jacob Ruppert
3 Sol White
1 J.L. Wilkinson

Other nominations accepted.

Results:

7 ballots, the results:

81 Kenesaw Landis
67 Bill Klem
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43 Barney Dreyfuss
38 Sol White
34 Ed Barrow
34 Jacob Ruppert
26 Al Munro Elias
25 Cum Posey
21 Francis Richter
15 Billy Evans
14 J.L Wilkinson
10 Ring Lardner
9 Jack Dunn
7 A.G. Mills
3 Ernest Thayer